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Rockwell AC69 Crashes in Superstition Mountains near Phoenix
APACHE JUNCTION - A small plane crashed in the Superstition Mountains east of Phoenix on the eve of Thanksgiving, and six people aboard are feared dead. As of 10 p.m., a child between the ages of 5 and 9 has been found deceased. Multiple witnesses reported a plane crashed into the top of a mountain in the Flat Iron area and burst into flames just after 6:30 p.m. They described the plane flying level and then trying and failing to pull up at the last second. A 9-year-old boy described the sound… (www.myfoxphoenix.com) और अधिक...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
gabor, my point re the altimeter is that radar showed them at 4500' which, as you know, is a vfr altitude - the hghest you can be under a 5000' class b floor. so no, i dont think the altimeter was mis-set.
Gabor, you can second question (guess) all you want, be an IFR pilot and then join the NTSB,then you will be able to answer those unknown questions!! Either way, they always say it was "pilot error",since he's DEAD!
Jim, do you read Aviation Safety, if not it's a great worthwhile publication. I submitted three articles and they published all three of them. I have learned a great deal from many of their articles. i am not trying to play NTSB just trying to put together what might have happened as general overall information, if for no one else other than myself.
Gabor, yes I have and your right,it is a good info.mag. Go to the NTSB website to really inform yourself. It's just that sooo many people post things here that have NO clue,(like the media),and make it look like flying is un-safe! I don't mean to chastise you or your trying to figure out what may have caused this crash,we all do. There are so many factors like a/c a/w, pilot phy/med.condition,wx@ time of crash and so on. Keep up the thinking process and when the NTSB comes out with the cause,see how close you were? Congrats to your son,and thank him for his service to our country keeping us safe!! Safe skies and keep your head out of the cockpit,(unless your IFR,then keep it in!!).
Jim, I started flying twenty years ago, I am spin certified, acrobatic certified is a Zlynn and high performance rated. I had enough time in a Duchess for my twin rating but just prior to my check-ride the plane crashed at Carlsbad Airport (CRQ) when the plane turned right cross wind to a right down wind and a Mooney came in over the ocean and did a left down wind, they crashed together at pattern, there were no survivors. I also have 40 plus hours of IFR training but since I do not own but rent and I do not fly enough to feel safe, in IFR I never took the check-ride. I guess I am a fair weather pilot with some solid spin and acrobatic training to insure that I stay as safe as possible.
If they flew out from their home airport in the morning and if they departed Mesa in the early evening and if they did not set their altimeter at Mesa and used the same setting that the plane had at Safford, might that not possibly caused a significant change in barometric pressure? Is it also not possible that they never set their altimeter taking off from Safford? I know we are only second question, but that's how we learn unfortunately from other pilot's mistakes.
if you plot kffd -> ksad you see it goes right past the mtn. easy enuf to get slightly left of track, esp in a fast, unfamiliar airplane, and wo moving map youd be oblivious to the big rocks. they were at 4500' - skirting under class b, at night, towards terrain, in an unfamiliar acft. god knows why. why not ifr, or at least on an airway through the mtns? not current? "too much hassle"?
one more reason i'll be putting syn vis in the mooney...
re the altimeter - maybe you learned in another country? here we do not set the alt to zero on the ground, but to the baro setting, which matches the field elevation, so now way that would account. beaides, radar shows em at 4500', just under the class b. it *is* possible, however that their DG wasnt set before take-off and they were thus off the intended course. even a few degrees from track would do it. but more likely they just got further NE on departure then expected and headed right into the mtn when they pointed for home.
very sad.
one more reason i'll be putting syn vis in the mooney...
re the altimeter - maybe you learned in another country? here we do not set the alt to zero on the ground, but to the baro setting, which matches the field elevation, so now way that would account. beaides, radar shows em at 4500', just under the class b. it *is* possible, however that their DG wasnt set before take-off and they were thus off the intended course. even a few degrees from track would do it. but more likely they just got further NE on departure then expected and headed right into the mtn when they pointed for home.
very sad.