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Lufthansa 747-400 heads to Tulsa for disassembly

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A Lufthansa Boeing 747-400 is making its way to Tulsa, where it will be disassembled at a facility near the Tulsa International Airport, the Tulsa World reports. (www.usatoday.com) और अधिक...

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jshhmr
josh homer 6
I hate to see these things retired. It was always a dream to fly on one, so when I was with AA in the 90's, I flew to Montreal and got an ID90 on a 744 with Air Canada and flew on this gorgeous beast to Calgary. Spent the night and came home to DFW.
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grinch59
Gene Nowak 2
I'm with you Josh. I fondly remember flying on one of the original 747's out of ORD to MIA or DEN around 1970.
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chalet
chalet 2
If you flew between ORD-MIA on a 747 in the 70s it must have been Delta's flights Nº 2 or 1 if I remember it correctly. Was a great airline then....... sigh...
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Navy65
Navy65 2
Eastern also flew the ORD-MIA (and on to SJU) run with the 747. Eastern flew the original 747, N731PA.
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chalet
chalet 1
Indeed but just on two short leases lasting a few months combined, probably with PanAm crews. The MIA-SJU run was mostly flown by EAL using AB-300s in fact I flew a few times with them on this route and frankly speaking the service was lousy.
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Derg
Roland Dent 1
Chalet how old are you?
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captainjman
Jason Feldman 1
Anytime a 747 goes to the grave I cry
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wasclywabbit
John Berry 4
It's a shame to see these grand old birds meet such an ignominious end but all things mechanical outlive their usefulness eventually.
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JENNYJET
JENNIFER JORDAN 1
It's a shame to see these grand old birds.........

I firmly believe that regulators are so risk averse that many aircraft, ships, automobiles and even hearing aids are given an inbuilt and unrealistic lifespan that a well maintained article/item should easily be able to continue to offer splendid and SAFE service indefinatly. How many well serviced DC-10's and even B707/727's could still be flying with some of the smaller airlines in developing nations that simply cannot get the necessary 'aid' and financial support to operate the B777? Forget this moment the fuel cost debate, it is about access to offer an airline in backwaters to enable global mobility etc..and in some small countries, a DC-10 would be a national flagship.

The military in many countries still operate B707 airframes even though they are nearing 60 years of design life if not airframe life such as E3 Sentry and EC 135 etc and that even the US Air Force operate B747-200's to ferry the President around the planet so that suggests to me that if there is the will and the cash, any aircraft can remain in service to any operator willing to maintain it and finance it.

The older 'birds' interest me greatly but the modern ships send me to sleep because they all look alike, sound alike and frankly bore me to sleep even at a noisy but ever quieter airport. I recently watched an A380 take off over my head at the end of a runway and frankly, it could have been an A320 for the noise footprint it offered and I was so deflated, I set off to a military airfield to get a jet noise fix!
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While I share the nostalgia for these old birds, I don't for one second miss the noise of jets of yesteryear.

The quieter the better, as far as I'm concerned.
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alastairp
Al Palmer 1
I miss the old days, too. Sure, today it would be politically/environmentally incorrect, but there was something exciting and exhilarating at watching them take off (black smoke and all!)
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TXCAVU
Elizabeth Robillard 1
Agree. My first encounter with the A380 was...that's all? Had Boeing come out with the 74-8 to compete this might be a different story. Simple fact is that 2 engines and cheaper to run/maintain than 4. That is pretty much "it". The 747 will always be the Queen of the skies, even is she becomes the Queen Mother.
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jimcander
Jim Anderson 3
I'm standing about 100 feet away from it. Reg is D-ABVE. There's three other LH 737's sans engines and intact from the exterior standpoint. Regs on those have been covered up. There is an A320 on jacks nearly gutted at this point. Looks like the ANA livery but not 100% sure. Btw, there's an AN-124 on the ground here sitting near the main terminal. Perhaps for the engines?? Have pics. There pretty crappy. May post em.
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kderres
Kevin Derr 1
I just flew on D-AVBE on 03 Oct from FRA-DEN, with a stop in KEF for a medical emergency! No wonder they didn't put in the new personal TVs if they were about to scrap it.
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jimcander
Jim Anderson 2
Was in Seattle this past week and had some time to kill. Wandered over to BFI to see what was up. Saw a "green" 737-900 land. First time I've seen one in the air. Saw the 787-9 and the rest of the ships awaiting delivery. Saw a 747-8 down the way. White with a blue tail but no other markings. Obviously a Lufthansa -8 being finished. After I left, something caught my eye... saw it on a slow climb to the south and then a right turn out to the ocean. Had I only waited 10 more minutes....

sigh...
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Couldn't it have been a 747-8F? In which case, wouldn't have necessarily been a Lufthansa.
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strikeeagle801
Aaron Rhodes 2
It is indeed an -8I, registration N6067U and is currently being operated by Boeing as a test ship. As far as its original intended owner is, I'm not sure (and the registration does not come up on here) but it seems to be a "free agent" at this point and time.
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This blog show that this plane (if the same one) gies back over 2 years:

http://boeing-test-flights.blogspot.com/search?q=D-abye&m=1

This usually well informed blogger seemed to indicate that, at one time, this plane might have been destined for Lufthansa. But 2 1/2 years later it's still hanging around Seattle. (a test plane?)
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plestedr
Bob Plested 1
There's no such thing as a Free Agent jet at Boeing, save for NA001 (#1 757). They're all built for a customer, though some will take a tour in the test fleet before going to commercial service. The orignal 787-8s were built for customers though Boeing later determined that those planes wouldn't conform to the type cert.

The freighter 747-8s were in test before the pax versions.
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D-ABVE is a Lufthansa 747-430, that last flew a couple of days ago from Frankfurt to Tulsa:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/DABVE

So couldn't possibly be a brand new 747-8 being made in Seattle, and seen this past weekend without a complete livery.
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jimcander
Jim Anderson 2
Reread my reply please? I saw the -8 in Seattle at Boeing Field. Ok? I'm in Tulsa today. I know the difference (between Seattle Nd Tulsa and a -8 pax and freighter and the -400 here)
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My original question is regarding the 747-8 you saw over the weekend at BFI. Can it be a freighter? How did you make the determination it was an unfinished Lufthansa? Was it just the paint?
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jimcander
Jim Anderson 1
Full upper deck. Windows. Plus the last time i was at BFI I LH's first -8 sans logos and it looked exactly like this ship. Ok? I know the difference my friend.
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Thanks. Apparently you do know the difference.
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jimcander
Jim Anderson 0
I feel so much better that you approve of my spotting abilities.....
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No need to he petty. Didn't realize the 8i and the 8F were so different. There aren't that many in the wild. I'm surprised they don't at least share the same shell. I learned something today. But don't appreciate the condescendingattitude, when I
just wanted to learn.
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Derg
Roland Dent 1
I agree photo. Some of these guys wear bibs at the breakfast table.
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strikeeagle801
Aaron Rhodes 1
It is actually an -8I, registration N6067U, and is being operated by Boeing as a test ship. I'm not sure of the orginal intended owner, but as far as I am aware (and as far as flightaware is too) it is a "free agent" at this point and time.
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intdln
Dennis Noah 2
Wonder how much in coins in seats they willmfind.
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strikeeagle801
Aaron Rhodes 2
They are not the only ones doing it either. There are two Cathay Pacific -400's at Grant County International in Moses Lake, Washington right now in various stages of disassembly, and at least one has been completely parted out and destroyed already.
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TXCAVU
Elizabeth Robillard 1
They started their flights at Moses Lake and finished out there. Fitting.
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LordLayton
Leighton Elliott 1
Bring it to Detroilet, the scrappers will have it done and sold in 5 minutes. Better do it in daylight though as most light poles are missing lol.
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sparkie624
sparkie624 2
Nice to know there is something they are efficient at... /SARCASM
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delmonaco03
anthony delmonaco 1
There have been several Lufthansa 735s stopping in Bangor for fuel and customs before heading onto Tulsa as well. Caught a couple of the 744s but none recently. Sad to see these birds going away but understand what John Berry said.
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jimcander
Jim Anderson 1
There are three on the ground at TUL
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jimcander
Jim Anderson 1
Ah no. It couldn't have been. I know the difference.
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dclady
Madelaine Robinson 1
I have flown on many a 747 and have fond memories of them except for one very rough landing in London on Pan Am....THAT was an experience never to be forgotten....but I really liked that plane....
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JeffinMass
Jeffrey Magnet 1
It's still so sad to see yet another B747 exit the skies permanently :(. It's nice to hear that LH won't be scrapping all of them at once. It's also nice that they are continuing the B747 family with the -8. What is the reg number of this B744? Doeas anyone know?
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jimcander
Jim Anderson 1
From my post below:

"I'm standing about 100 feet away from it. Reg is D-ABVE. There's three other LH 737's sans engines and intact from the exterior standpoint. Regs on those have been covered up. There is an A320 on jacks nearly gutted at this point. Looks like the ANA livery but not 100% sure. Btw, there's an AN-124 on the ground here sitting near the main terminal. Perhaps for the engines?? Have pics. There pretty crappy. May post em"
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JeffinMass
Jeffrey Magnet 1
Thank you very much Jim :)
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gr8gman
gr8gman 1
How is this that different from the bone yard at Davis-Monthan AFB in Tucson?
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99NY
99NY 1
Well, neither the linked article or the TulsaWorld article bother to explain WHY they are parting this one out. I'd assume for spares but some basic journalism wouldn't hurt here.
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It's there.

"Lufthansa currently has nine 747-8s in its fleet with another 10 on order.

Lufthansa currently has about 20 of the older-model 747-400s in its fleet, with plans to gradually phase out those jets over the next decade."

Older 4-engine aircraft are selling quite cheaply. It is probably better to part out the aircraft than to sell it on the secondary market.
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sparkie624
sparkie624 3
There is a HUGE secondary market in the aviation industry... Sometimes new parts are not procurable.
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Derg
Roland Dent -1
One thing is for sure sparkie..the FMS will be extracted or made useless. Lufthansa does not subscribe to the auto update from the suppliers. Personally I would ripped the whole system out. In my view that is how the Boiengs were shunted into the twin towere with pin point accuracy. That was remote telemetry. They will never go public with that. But every sane operator knows this is the case.
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sparkie624
sparkie624 2
You are right about the FMS and pinpoint accuracy... Most people thing that the driving force behind FMS is the GPS... But that is totally wrong. FMS actually uses DME-DME navigation and receiving up to 5 different DME stations per DME Receiver installed. GPS can only get you to within a few meters. FMS does work with FMS but is primarily as a backup.

Keep in mind that FMS is required for RVSM operations.
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sparkie624
sparkie624 2
One other note on the " Lufthansa does not subscribe to the auto update from the suppliers.". Lufthansa does not have to subscribe. They produce them themselves and are a major supplier to other airlines. We used to subscribe to them, but I think we have moved to another source.
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They may find buyers for their newer 747-4s later. But if they're going to part some of them anyone because of the economics, they may as well do so early in the process, when they've still got a fleet of nearly 20 that will still need parts for the next decade, in addition to the demand for parts from other carriers.
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yr2012
matt jensen 1
So, they lose one and get ten more. Outside of my love for turbo's, the 747 is my fav jet
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They may find buyers for their newer 747-4s later. But it names sense to part one or m
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