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LearJet 35 flight goes down prior to landing at KSEE
I pulled this audio after getting multiple media reports of the event. Nothing apparent in the audio as to cause. Caution: strong language in the audio. https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/story/2021-12-27/aircraft-reportedly-crashes-near-el-cajon-east-of-gillespie-field (forums.liveatc.net) और अधिक...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
Dear Mr. DeTour I'm not talking about horizonal rotating fronts. It has been known for a long time that horizontal fronts, vortexes, can be turned into the vertical making a mesocyclone which is the forerunner of a tornado. My research has found that is how tornadoes are formed and how all other landspout vortexes are formed, from any hot air source. I have a very good satellite view of the vortexes formed causing the Santee, California plane crash of February 6, 2008 to show you, if I could figure out how to put it on this website.
I flew the LR-35 years ago. Nice plane, not that hard to fly but like most high performance jets, very unforgiving if you get slow in a steep turn. There are dozens of accidents in the books just like this and several recent ones. . Lears, Gulfstream, Canadair etc. I fly in and out of Aspen occasionally and can remember. LR-35 and Gulfstream crashing under similar circumstances.
Couple of things and agreeing with much that Brian Anderson commented below. I am just a private pilot with an instrument rating (about 5,500 TT familiar with night IMC into that airspace) - based at MYF (5 miles away) for 35 years; no Lear (or jet) experience. (1) first a note - there IS an approach to 27 (LOC-D) (flown it many times) - minimums are higher AND Final Approach Fix (FAF) is higher AND routing would have been longer. (2) Could not hear the audio, but the generic landing distance for a Lear 35A is 4,333 and RWY 17 is 4135 (200 feet shorter than needed without the possibility of water being a factor - legal or not) with RWY 27R being 5,342 - maybe the pilot wanted the extra 1,200 feet. (3) they were coming down the coast - against the normal flow of SOCAL traffic routes which gave them a much shorter trip and over lower terrain and without traffic conflicts with Lindbergh KSAN). (4) as a practical matter, for the LOC-D, ATC would have vectored them higher to BARET (or maybe even out to JLI) with an FAF at SAMOS of 4000 feet versus 2,500 feet at JUGAL for the RNAV 17 approach. Sadly, being based at the field appears to led the crew to believe they could maneuver in the pattern. There is a well-known hill just to the north of the LOC-D centerline that is part of why that approach is used for Instrument checkrides. No matter what, obviously, a VERY sad event.
In general, vary sad situation. Being a San Diegan and having visited Gillespie Field for various reasons and events. I am saddened this event occurred and honestly shocked.
Now, if I could just figure out how to make the font large enough for a blind person such as myself available to read without having to lean farther into the screen.
Now, if I could just figure out how to make the font large enough for a blind person such as myself available to read without having to lean farther into the screen.
Try Ctrl + or Shift +
You can do it several times until a maximum is reached.
You can do it several times until a maximum is reached.
Political comments are stupid, unprofessional, and detract from the poster's credibility. Worse, they are disrespectful to those who lost there lives, so know it off. Facts, evidence, and analysis count.