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Video and Pictures: Korean Air plane skids off runway in Philippines, severe damage reported

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CEBU, PHILIPPINES — A Korean Air Airbus A330-300 jet with 173 people on board overshot the runway at Cebu International Airport in the Philippines late on Sunday. No injuries were reported. (www.airlinerwatch.com) और अधिक...

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ukusapkm07201942
Paul Miller 9
Yep, that damage is severe too, because it hit the Approach Lights Gantry at the far end and that's going to cause a whole heap of problems for our single runway Airport to deal with now.

One trashed Airbus A330 now to be removed before any International or Domestic flights can resume.

That flight arrives from Incheon every night at 23:00 hrs. and sits there for two hours and then does a return flight back to Incheon again at 01:00. The flight crews know only too well that the ONLY place to put that aircraft on the ground is at Manila IF Cebu is a no go? so they SHOULD have enough reserve fuel for that diversion????
I live in the Philippines and YES, our weather can be bad at times, BUT we don't have Snow, Ice, or Hail to contend with? just driving Rain and a slick single runway to address.

SeanAwning
Sean Awning 8
Simon at AV Herald mentions possible hydraulic system and brakes failure.
https://avherald.com/h?article=50004095&opt=0
If so, the crew might deserve some appreciation for making the best of a bad situation.
sparkie624
sparkie624 1
That is possible, but in all reality, the TR's have the biggest effect on slowing the A/C in most all situations... It was probably a crew failure in procedures that caused this in a long run.
SeanAwning
Sean Awning 1
Of course. For now, we're speculating in advance of the data. Simon's updated with a description of the second landing attempt that included a hard touch possibly due to windshear, after which the crew reported an emergency. Definitely a high workload situation.
jb747
John Bartels -3
Reverse thrust has very little braking effect, which is one of the reasons that you can use asymmetric reverse with virtually no yaw. Reverse is effective at blasting the water off the runway, and so allowing the tyres and brakes to do their job more effectively. And it does tend to cancel the residual forward thrust of the engines.

PDLanum
Philip Lanum 3
So, that is why TR's are used on dry runways?
That is why, when you view landings, the TR's throw water in front of the landing gear.
You do realize that on a B747 and A380 the engines are so far away from the landing gear that no water is removed from the runway?
TR's do not just shoot off to the side where there are tires. What a load of foolish crap.
frogandtoad
frogandtoad 2
A380- Airbus designed this aircraft NOT to have t/r's at all - t/r's are only fitted on the inbd engines - due to runway widths and FAA certification requirement - 18 main wheels and 16 brakes which are ample - also KL - A330 have PW4000 series engines - which are HYD operated if and I say if there was a HYD failure ( which I dough ) the t/r's wouldn't extend. !!!
lrhenry
robert henry 5
The CVR reports will show a much clearer picture of what really happened.
jgrsarcmox
jerry ryan 4
I disagree with the statement that the TRs are not effective. My experience is with DC8s, 757s and c130s In all cases, at last on those types, are very effective.
Propwash122
Peter Fuller 3
Aren’t required landing runway lengths determined in flight test with use of spoilers and brakes, but not using TRs? And then, based on that certification data, calculating runway needed in actual landing operations assumes no TRs?
mikeosmers
Michael Osmers 3
T/R with high bypass engines are ok but not much more than that. Only the bypass thrust is “reversed’, the core always thrusts forward, about 30% of the total, give or take. As Fuller notes, certification standards do not consider reverse at all. Ryan’s example of mixing high bypass turbofans with the C130’s turboprops is apples and oranges. The turboprop has unbelievable reverse stopping capabilities! My experience with B727, 737, 757, 767 and 787’s was keep it simple with landing in the first 1500-2000’, idle reverse and autobrake or manual brake as required, worked every time!
whip5209
Ken McIntyre 5
I've always shook my head while on the approach to 04, seemed like the landing gear might scrape a roof or two. At the far end of 04, there is a 1,500 foot grass overrun, a two lane road, then a rocky beach. Not much room.

This approach was on 22. In all my trips, our aircraft never landed in that direction as
04 is usually preferred. The overrun at the far end is about 1,000 foot or so. A 1,500 foot overshoot there puts you through houses and onto the main road crossing central Mactan island. Less than 200 feet to spare to the closest house on this accident, judging from google earth. Yikes, that was close!

Must have been an awful sound to wake up to in the middle of the night.
ssobol
Stefan Sobol 2
T/Rs mostly reduce wear on the brakes. The higher the airspeed, the greater the effectiveness. Some of the benefit of T/Rs is the disruption of airflow over the wing the plume acting as big spoilers.
brentleew
brent watson 2
I was under the impression that tracking data revealed a very hard touchdown with an accompanying loud bang heard in the cabin, then the captain commenting that the brakes had failed, then a G/A. Possibly slammed to the ground at 20 or 30 feet. In any case it looks like TR's were extended from crash scene photos. The crew may have done a spectacular job considering circumstances
regcaton
Reginald Caton 2
The degree of damage seems inconsistent with just grass impact. It looks like the nose gear may have collapsed while on the runway and most dammage occurred then.
jbsimms
James Simms 4
Third attempt. Sounds like a mix of bad weather & a case of Get-There-Itis. Another reason could be not enough fuel to divert or all three.
EMK69
EMK69 3
The question with get-home-itis has always been, is it the pilot's get or the Airline line shack calling to get home?
birtsjoe
Joe Birts 1
Didn't KAL have a "parked" 747F roll of the apron in Alaska last month?
frogandtoad
frogandtoad 1
A380- Airbus designed this aircraft NOT to have t/r's at all - t/r's are only fitted on the inbd engines - due to runway widths and FAA certification requirement - 18 main wheels and 16 brakes which are ample - also KL - A330 have PW4000 series engines - which are HYD operated if and I say if there was a HYD failure ( which I dought ) the t/r's wouldn't extend. !!!
jhakunti
jhakunti 1
3rd times a charm. 2 failed attempts on the 3rd the pilot didn't want to look foolish with another go-around and probably no fuel left to divert legally so tried to force it and nearly killed everyone. No need to surmise about the thrust reverse system the plane was is perfectly working order to get them 3 shots at landing.
ssobol
Stefan Sobol 1
T/Rs mostly reduce wear on the brakes. The higher the airspeed, the greater the effectiveness. Some of the benefit of T/Rs is the disruption of airflow over the wing, acting as big spoilers.
sgbelverta
sharon bias 1
short runway, bad weather, and pressure from management for a quick turnaround. That will do it every time.
jbsimms
James Simms 7
I wouldn’t call 10,800+ feet ‘short’ unless it floated & landed ‘long’.
Propwash122
Peter Fuller 9
Bad weather? Yes.
Pressure from management? Perhaps. A thorough investigation would reveal that.
Short runway? Nope. The single runway at Cebu (field elevation 31 feet) measures 10,827 feet, should have been long enough to land an A330-300.
Brake, spoiler, reverser malfunctions? Possible. Again, a thorough investigation will tell the tale.
We’re all just speculating here. All we know is that thankfully nobody died, and the airplane was destroyed.
mds47588
Mark Smith 0
Wasn’t too long ago it seems as if Korean had a major incident every few years…

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