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55 Boeing Dreamliners 'have potential' fuselage problem

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Boeing said around 55 of its flagship 787 Dreamliners "have the potential" to develop a fuselage shimming problem, but reiterated that the fault was being fixed. Shims are used to fill in space between parts and industry publication Flightglobal has reported that improperly joined pieces had caused "parts of the aircraft's carbon fibre structure to delaminate". (news.yahoo.com) More...

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THRUSTT
THRUSTT 2
Guess all the Airbus bashers will be flying on Tupolevs now!!!
davysims
David Sims 1
From all the problems you hear about when companies outsource parts to foreign countries, like this, it makes you wonder why companies even bother. Is Boeing going to save enough money by outsourcing to pay for all the repairs and bad press?
thunderland2
al fredericks 1
where or where is DOUGLAS/LOCHEED, were missing you!
THRUSTT
THRUSTT 1
Simple fix, outsource Airbus and Boeing to Nissan...
allanju
Allan Ju 1
U. S craftsmanship is still alive but must be paid for.
genethemarine
Gene spanos 1
What ever happened to US craftmenship
preacher1
preacher1 1
Gene: as far as craftsmanship, it may be US ingenuity to try and cover up messes as noted below and trying to pull somebody's butt out of the fire. It may also be that the shimming was what was done before with Aluminum and obviously it ain't gonna work with CF.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
As you know Wayne I am an engineer and we take an oath as part of our diploma. That does not mean we don't make errors..we do..what it means is that we DO NOT LOOK AWAY when we see something that is dangerous imminently or in the life time of the work piece. Some of us have more guts than others. But on the whole if we cannot halt the rot there and then we tell somebody who can. But you see the kids are so scared these days of losing the job. What a sad and alarming USA you have that Boeing has to INTIMIDATE people to make shoody airplanes. This management at Boeing is criminally incompetent. Sooner or later the insurers and investors will pay hard cash for this situation.
preacher1
preacher1 1
Unfortunately my friend, we are all probably correct. Probably a cover up and the rank and file told what to do, then get the blame when it goes sour. That ain't right but it is human nature at it's worst; look out for yourself and blame it on somebody else but cover your own #$%.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
They hire total YES men Wayne...the MBAs are trained that capitalism and morals are opposed to each other. The only country I know where the moral ethic is applied in business is Japan.
preacher1
preacher1 1
It used to be here until the early 80's when junk bonds became fashionable. All of a sudden it became morally wrong to have people working and a corporation making money year after year, having multiple companies; with the junk bonds, everybody could essentially buy something for nothing, sell it, close it down, whatever and make a bunch of money for themselves and the rest of the world could kiss their @#$. We went thru that era but fortunately we had stayed private and the ownership had a true loyalty to the people and still does, but I saw several large corporations decimated during that time and hundreds of people put out of work.
apmac77
anthony mchale 1
The 787 is what 5 years over schedule and the fuselage may have problems now? I like the 777's and the reliability. Not sure if I like the plastics and carbon fiber idea yet...
eagle763
John Hale 0
DOH!!!!!!
s2v8377
s2v8377 0
That's what Boeing gets for not building the 787's parts in house.

Besides that between all of the issues the 787 and A350 are having with these new materials, it makes you wonder if the technology is really there yet for these materials to used yet effectively???
KSjetfixr
Charles Morgan 1
Carbon fiber, unlike aluminum, is a lot less tolerant of production variances. Carbon fiber doesn't like to "bend". Basically, the parts have to fit perfectly. If the parts are naturally out of contour, and the fastener is used to "pull" the two components into alignment, you can delaminate the part. Why Boeing thought they would be able to maintain a perfect fit with components built half a world apart is another question we'll never get the answer to..

There are ways around this problem, but the "fix" creates a new set of problems.

It remains to be seen how well the fuselage assembly is going to hold up under airline type operations/pressurization cycles. The NDT guys are going to be busy, between the "suspected" and "actual" delaminations that are going to be found.
Derg
Roland Dent 1
Charles I think it is a question of ethics and company culture. They got away with the same flaws on the 737NGs. Either way this is going to cost Boeing money. The airline customes are starting to persue financial claims because of late deliveries and on the factory floor they cannot make the pieces fit. All hell should be breaking loose in a few offices in Boeing itself and in its sub contractors.
Derg
Roland Dent 0
Boeing has a bunch of managers who need to be "moved on". They already had this kind of comical failure with the NG737s. Always amuses me when people make comments about the ex Soviet machines when all along Boeing pees in its own pants. At least the Russian management ACTED...these guys just stick their heads in the sand and go to church. What a bunch of wasters they are.

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