Grounded by Vaccine Exemption: Married United Pilots Feel Betrayed

most responses are from educated conservatives....not fascist....but the village idiot said the same thing you did last month

Please educate me on the "career ending" side effects of mRNA vaccines and the probability of their occurrence versus the probability of severe outcomes of COVID-19. I am just one of those "I'll" educated "Leftist commies" that needs these things explained to me. In my uneducated ways I calculated that you have about a 1.6% chance of death if you contract COVID-19 in the USA (that's 16,191 deaths in a million cases). The rate has been decreasing as post infection treatments have improved (e.g. monoclonal antibodies and ritonavir and molnupiravir more recently). I am not going to get into Long COVID, but I can tell you this: it is real and we learn more about its devastating effects on patients - young and old - every day. Now, if you get an mRNA vaccine, you have a 0.00334% chance of dying as a result of the vaccination (or about 33 deaths in a million vaccinations). Some people who died after getting vaccinated might not have died because of the vaccine. The VAERS data probably overstates the number of vaccine related deaths (not only for the COVID-19 vaccine, but for all vaccines). I admit I am not well educated, but if I were playing the odds, I would rather take the odds the vaccine gives me. Now you might say, "but I said career-ending events, not just deaths." There have been 9,999 reported "permanent disabilities" due to the COVID-19 vaccines in the US, however if you look at only the mRNA vaccines, then your chances of a permanent disability is about the same as the chance of death from a COVID-19 vaccine. Now, if you take the permanent disabilities rate in that population and figure it is equally distributed amongst all careers without bias, and knowing there are about 670,000 licensed pilots in the USA (all pilots not just career pilots), that means 44 pilots, or so, might suffer permanent disability events due to vaccination (22 might die, and 22 might have permanent disability). No one wants to be one of those 44. However unvaccinated pilots who get COVID-19 might face a 1.6% chance of death (that is a bit more complicated since death rates are different by age, sex, race, chronic conditions, socioeconomic status, etc., but since I am uneducated, please let me roll with it for now). That also does not count career-ending Long COVID as a possibility. Again, I would rather be in the vaccinated group. You can choose to play the other odds - that is Darwinism (but a whole other discussion).

Sickening how these posts are from Leftist commies. Translates to
The most ignorant of stupids. Agree w you, Jackson

You are exactly right. Unfortunately the military is seeing issues with its pilots with this vaccine also. There are pilots that have been grounded as a result of this vaccine.

Sources?

For about the same statistics as the flu. Yeah sorry. Statistically your less than 1% argument doesn’t compare to my life and career.

this is a lie, and no.

That is the problem. You only think of yourself and the hell with society. I see it every day on the highways, "I" have to get there first so get out of my way. I don't have to obey the law, that's for the other guy. I care about only myself.

Actually no employer should have to tolerate you

no matter how much lipstick you put on it - it is not at all a requirement based on health & safety.

Actually it is not their choice - it was an executive order which as a federal contractor united is required to follow and enforce. EO #14042

How does it feel to be a fckn d!ck? To say you were an idiotic a$$whole would be providing you with far too much credit

How does it feel to be a fckn d!ck? To say you were an idiotic a$$whole would be providing you with far too much credit

if you're scared - you stay away from those you are scared of.

Thank you, sir.

no. if you're scared you go away.

really?

All three vaccines in used in the United States have been administered 100's of millions of times. If there was a severe side affect, it would be known by now. Long term affect of mRNA (used in Phizer and Madonera) is not yet fully known, but given the sheer numbers of people who have been inoculated, it is likely a trend would emerge. So far the vaccines have been proven (surprisingly) safe and effective.

Interestingly, when Phizer finally releases it's "cure" (in the form of a pill), I wonder whether it will be so poorly received by the anti-vax crowd. Guh.

Ken, I agree with your statement. Unvaxed have a slightly higher risk of serious complications/death. What I'm referring to is the trend that locations with higher vax rates have higher infection rates over all. This suggests that whatever protection the vaccine might provide to the recipient, it's not stopping the spread of covid and might even be encouraging it.

Bonnie you seem like a poor little sheep. Please try thinking instead of blindly following an ignorant cabal.

There’s a UK study that shows that infection rates are higher in the vaccinated rather than the unvaccinated. If you did any research you might find some truth here.

I’d suggest that without statistical variation analysis, claims you make are unreliable at best.

Where and who posts these “numbers”? Thanksgiving fools hoping to visit grandma next week. Go United pilots

doesn't work, got COVID, fought it off on my own ... NEXT. Got the jab because my job required it, still got COVID again, fought it off again, so what, NEXT.

Then why are you afraid of someone not having it?

Explain then, why covid deaths are higher in 2021 (so far) than for all of last year

This phenomenon, incidentally, is true across many first world countries

Yes “it works”. Brandon manipulation of the weak minded sure works!

You need to find another source for news and medical advice besides the latest Q-drop.

So what, you're going to dismiss everything (including published research papers, advice from well-known medical institutions such as the Mayo Clinic, plus medical advice from the *vast* majority of Medical Doctors in the world) just because it comes from a new organization with a "bent" you do not like???

china blocks everything. I have been through there several times... cannot get the facebook, cannot get to flightaware, cannot get the google, cannot get to nbc, twitter, fox... none of it.

conservative or whackadoo.

the only thing I could get to without tunneling to the US first was microsoft.com

the vaccine does not make you immune to the disease. this is the inherent flaw in the approach. having the vax does not help at the end of the day.

Hey, Holmes, vaccinated pilots can still spread the virus.

Srobak: Vaccines need a defined (mathematically determinable) amount of participants receiving the vaccination to contain a pandemic. (Please look up "herd immunity" if that does not seem right to you.) Containment did not happen primarily due to social media meddling in a highly charged political environment. Seriously, if enough people had gotten vaccinated (world-wide) this pandemic would be OVER by now. (Or contained with the U.S. if we could keep out unvaccinated denizens of the rest of the world.)

Increase????? We'd be in a huge world of hurt right now without a vaccine. Most of the people spreading it now (10 to 1) are the unvaccinated. Most of the people *dying* right now are the unvaccinated (11 to 1). One could say "survival of the fittest", i.e. those surviving are the ones smart enough to get vaccinated, but it's just tragic all the misinformation being spread out there that is scaring people away from being vaccinated and therefore helping out the rest of the population who cannot (for whatever reason) get vaccinated or for whom the vaccine is not very effective (such as the immunocompromised).

Fortunately, there is legal precedent to end anti-vaxx campaigns. In 1906 the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that vaccines can be made mandatory. If the current court reverses that decision, It'll be a *damn* shame (for all of us).

I'd say "your mileage may vary", but you're just plain misguided, with a solidified position in your mind formed by misinformation disseminated by attention seekers, many politically motivated. Check your sources. Someday they will be laid bare as what they are: garbage!!

Unfortunately, toxic behavior has become the norm and not the exception.

^^^^ ladies and gentlemen welcome aboard - allow me to introduce you to you captain for this flight - Captain First Class Jackass Jeff. Enjoy your flight!