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Cargojet Boeing 767 Has To Take Evasive Action When Glider Drifts Into Its Path
A Boeing 767 was forced to break off its approach into Hamilton, Ontario (YHM) after the flight crew spotted a glider in its path. The Cargojet flight had flown from Vancouver, British Columbia (YVR), and was tracking the ILS to runway 12 when the incident occurred. The 767 pilots had no indication that the glider was there until they could see it directly in front of them. The pilots banked the aircraft to the right to avoid a collision. They were then able to re-intercept the localizer and… (www.msn.com) More...Sort type: [Top] [Newest]
At the minimum gliders should have a radar target that can been seen by ATC radar. At least it would show up as a primary only reflection.
I suggest the glider may have been too far to the southwest of the town of Troy which would put it directly in the vicinity of the localizer of rnwy 12 at CYHM. Rockton glider club is located just east of Troy at Rockton, Ontario. Gliders normally stay away from both the arrival star over YXU for CYYZ and the IFR app to 12 at CYHM, not so apparently in this case.
"See and avoid" always applies. "Evasive" is simply 'click-bait'. <sarcasm>So glad the airplane was equipped with ailerons and rudder for THIS flight!!</sarcasm>
If the glider is legal VFR he’s not at fault but common sense says stay the heck out of busy flight paths. ADS-B is pretty cheap and has low power requirements.
A year or so ago, on VFR flight following at 3,500' MSL beneath an overcast deck, heading 090, with no ADS-B traffic near by, Houston approach suddenly transmitted, "Mooney XXXX, turn left immediately to 030 degrees! Immediately!" I did so with 45 degrees of left bank because of the concern in his voice! A glider that was not on my panel mounted ADS-B display suddenly appeared about 500 feet away, right in front of me at my altitude!!
I thought, "That's like dodging choppers in the friendly skies of Vietnam!" which I had done many years ago. I later asked approach control if gliders are required to have ADS-B and he said, "No, gliders are not required to have ADS-B." I was in disbelief! Why the heck not? Know where the glider ports are along your route of flight -- and the large parachute areas that extend into Class D airspace, like at KHMI (San Marcos, TX).
I thought, "That's like dodging choppers in the friendly skies of Vietnam!" which I had done many years ago. I later asked approach control if gliders are required to have ADS-B and he said, "No, gliders are not required to have ADS-B." I was in disbelief! Why the heck not? Know where the glider ports are along your route of flight -- and the large parachute areas that extend into Class D airspace, like at KHMI (San Marcos, TX).
Why the heck not? Because gliders do not have an engine driven electrical system and are exempt from the rules. That said, my (certificated) glider has a Mode S transponder with ADS-B In/Out. All it took was a bigger battery and some solar panels.
So basically because they cannot put in an electrical system (Not even a Nicad Battery) they get a special exemption to get into anyone else's way!
Even a P-51 has an electrical system, with transponder...
Right Spark?
Right Spark?
They should.... My feelings is that if they want to fly with out equipment, find and ok... But they must stay in uncontrolled airspace below 5000 ft MSL....
Your opinion is just that: Your opinion.
Read the FAR on the subject. I don't know about Canada's regulations.
And with that, I'm out of the discussion. Feelings don't count, neither to P-51s (though I really like them). They were originally built (never certificated) with an engine driven electrical system.
14 CFR § 91.215
Read the FAR on the subject. I don't know about Canada's regulations.
And with that, I'm out of the discussion. Feelings don't count, neither to P-51s (though I really like them). They were originally built (never certificated) with an engine driven electrical system.
14 CFR § 91.215
Yes it is MY opinion and that is exactly the way I worded it... What kind of KNEE JERK reaction is the FAA going to do when one is involved in a Midair and kills a couple hundred people!